Indistinguishable From Magic

Welcome to Indistinguishable From Magic—a LawUpdates.com videocast that focuses on legal issues surrounding emerging and futuristic technologies with host, Brian Beck, Partner at Zuber Lawler.

AI vs. Artists - Ep. 3

In this episode, host Brian Beck leads a discussion with guests Lonnie Rosenwald and Josh Masur on recent court decisions in copyright cases brought by artists and writers against generative AI companies. The panel takes a deep dive into the orders mostly granting motions to dismiss in Kadrey v. Meta Platforms, Inc., No. 3:23-cv-3417 (N.D. Cal.), and Andersen et al v. Stability AI Ltd. et al, No. 3:23-cv-201 (N.D. Cal.). The episode then goes on a freewheeling discussion about the implications for other copyright cases involving generative AI (including the Authors’ Guild’s lawsuit against Open AI in New York), the uneasy relationship between copyright law and emerging technologies generally, and what both creators and generative AI companies can do to insulate themselves from uncertain copyright litigation. About Josh Masur: Joshua Masur is the head of the Intellectual Property Practice Group at Zuber Lawler LLP, where his practice focuses on intellectual property and general business litigation for technology companies and those in emerging industries. Among his professional affiliations, Josh currently co-chairs the Policy Subcommittees of the Patent Litigation Committees of both the American Intellectual Property Law Association and the ABA Section of Intellectual Property Law. Josh also serves as National Legal Advisor (General Counsel) to the National Ski Patrol. About Lonnie Rosenwald: Lonnie Rosenwald is a Partner at Zuber Lawler LLP, a senior technology executive, and experienced legal counsel recognized for her vision, innovative thinking, and successful development and implementation of legal strategies for path-breaking ventures. Ms. Rosenwald focuses on corporate transactions, particularly in the context of cutting-edge technologies including artificial intelligence, biotech and personalized medicine, clean energy, and manufacturing. She frequently counsels clients on intellectual property protection and enforcement, data transactions, and technology commercialization.

Your Host - Brian Beck

Brian Beck is a Partner at Zuber Lawler LLP and focuses on intellectual property and commercial litigation. His commercial litigation matters often include heavy technology and/or regulatory components. Mr. Beck has a particularly deep interest in new technologies like AI, robotics, VR/AR, and quantum computing. Brian Beck has recently been appointed to the ABA’s Task Force on Law and Artificial Intelligence.

Calculating the Value of Tomorrow's Technology - Ep. 2

In this episode of Indistinguishable From Magic, we’re speaking with Greg Campanella, a Managing Director in the Valuation practice of Ocean Tomo (a part of J.S. Held), about how to figure out what intellectual property is worth—and the challenges in putting a value on emerging technologies that aren’t easily compared to technologies in existing markets.

About Greg Campanella:

Gregory Campanella joined J.S. Held in March of 2022 as part of J.S. Held’s acquisition of Ocean Tomo. Mr. Campanella is responsible for leading the Management Services Group and is the Managing Director in the Valuation practice of Ocean Tomo, a part of J.S. Held. Mr. Campanella’s work has focused on valuations of intangible, intellectual property, and tangible assets for acquisitions and divestitures, bankruptcy and restructuring, establishment of monetization strategies including licensing, mergers, and joint venture/partnership formations, litigation support, and financial reporting and tax matters. Mr. Campanella also has experience performing business enterprise, equity, and debt valuations. Industries in which he has experience include telecom, computer hardware and software, entertainment, semiconductors, life sciences/pharmaceuticals, wireless and wired communication, and e-commerce, among others. Prior to Ocean Tomo, Mr. Campanella led cross-functional teams providing valuation, financial analysis, strategic consulting, and transaction advisory services to consumer products and technology companies in conjunction with intellectual property (IP) and enterprise acquisition, investments, and divestitures. Mr. Campanella is skilled in the creation of models to both evaluate the economics of alternative spin-out strategies and to establish the value of IP to be contributed in a joint venture. Mr. Campanella is a member of the Intellectual Property Owners (IPO) and the Illinois Technology Association (ITA). He is a graduate of the University of California with a BA in Economics; received his JD from Loyola University of Chicago School of Law and an MBA from the University of Southern California Graduate School of Business.

Your Host - Brian Beck

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